Haiku Workshop Session 8
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Local Chat Transcript
January 26, 2015
Warning: As the workshop was in an M region I was not as strict about the typed language as I am in Trotsdale.
18:06] Kino Moonites: He's always so energetic ^^
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[18:10] Milo (decitrex) is online.
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[18:12] imseti is online.
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[18:13] Dashy (shippo849) is online.
[18:13] ﺮﻛﺎﺗ ﻲﺘﻧاد (dante.tucker) is online.
[18:13] imseti: Okay. Hi.
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[18:15] Jäger (danielderv) is online.
[18:16] Kino Moonites: I noticed that
[18:16] Kino Moonites: That was interesting
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[18:17] Kino Moonites: I can imagine
[18:17] imseti: Hmmm.
[18:17] imseti: That is neat. :D
[18:17] Cycladic is offline.
[18:17] Kino Moonites: I wonder how often people do that on accident
[18:17] Kino Moonites: Yeah I feel like it's something that could just happen
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[18:17] Kino Moonites: Hey Jager
[18:17] Cappahoven: Hello Jager
[18:17] Jäger (danielderv): ello!
[18:17] imseti: I wouldn't think much, but I could be wrong I guess. I should just shut up.
[18:18] nbgodzilla is offline.
[18:18] kenny the dragon (mkenny1694) is offline.
[18:19] kenny the dragon (mkenny1694) is online.
[18:20] Cappahoven: I'm gonna head out guys, y'all take care
[18:20] Kino Moonites: See ya Cappa ^^
[18:20] Fluxion Aura: You too.
[18:20] Jäger (danielderv): okay, see ya!
[18:20] imseti: bai
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[18:21] Anna Petrovna (salimah.torvalar) is offline.
[18:21] Anna Petrovna (salimah.torvalar) is online.
[18:22] Dr.Splat (zackna79) is online.
[18:22] imseti: that's an interesting reaction against oversaturation of information
[18:22] imseti: similar to what we're dealing with now, re: digital information
[18:23] Milo (decitrex) is offline.
[18:23] Cloverleaf (tervo.osmus) is online.
[18:25] imseti: As usual, very interesting.
[18:25] Jäger (danielderv): I got the train runnin' already ^^;
[18:25] imseti: Food for thought.
[18:25] imseti: I've been thinking about the valuation of information lately.
[18:25] imseti: Everyone seems to want to be unique. The rockstar mentality. All that.
[18:25] imseti: Does it matter?
[18:25] Kino Moonites: I like how they handle the elitism by just being like "I didn't know Haiku got promoted"
[18:25] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): *nods* It is interesting.
[18:26] Jäger (danielderv): I liked the grass thing
[18:26] Kino Moonites: Really if you are doing it because it's "glamorous" or things like that you are kinda doing art things wrong
[18:26] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): I do too. I'm thinking about putting that up in my room as a reminder to myself.
[18:26] MONOCHROME (njmike) is online.
[18:27] Kino Moonites: I think it's a good reminder
[18:27] imseti: Yeah.
[18:27] imseti: The haiku about grass was funnily fitting.
[18:27] imseti: Maybe some art is monumental, a flower or a tree or something truly unique.
[18:27] Jäger (danielderv): This part of the pursuit of glamor in something that shouldn't be laden with such interest always reminds me of today's contemporary art scene too
[18:27] imseti: But if the world only contained that which was monumental, it would be sparse and harsh.
[18:28] imseti: The world needs innumerable blades of grass.
[18:28] imseti: Each humble and 'boring' and yet, you know, truly vital.
[18:28] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): Yes. I dont understand the scramble I see sometimes. Then again, when I do something, I do it because I'm doing it for me or someone else. Not for the name.
[18:29] imseti nods.
[18:29] imseti: I think humanity has always had a crisis when it comes to placing importance on things he can't understand.
[18:29] imseti: If it's not massive, singular, monumental, easily seen and pointed to... whether it's god, or the grass, or some other infinite and yet vitally important aspect of an ecosystem or home or community or anything.... man can't come to terms with it.
[18:29] imseti: Or, that's the tendency.
[18:30] imseti: Speaking of paradoxes.
[18:30] Jäger (danielderv): there's a portion of the sublime that keeps art alive by being basically unreachable through reason
[18:31] imseti: Art really HAS to be unreachable through *logic* or dissection to maintain itself.
[18:31] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): *nods* Yes. You have to feel it or otherwise sense it, but you can't think it.
[18:31] imseti: Beauty is that which can not, or must not, be tamed.
[18:31] Jäger (danielderv): Well, to maintain itself autonomous
[18:31] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): Simple ink circle
Spread on white snow paper here
All you need you are.
[18:31] Fluxion Aura: bbl
[18:31] imseti applaud
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[18:31] Kino Moonites: Oooh I like that Ame
[18:31] Jäger (danielderv): nice~
[18:32] Kino Moonites: I have one too
[18:32] Kino Moonites: Silver hands carve a path
And rumbling beasts plod along
Retreating from Snow
[18:32] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): Beautiful
[18:32] imseti: Like I often say, it's healthy to think in a checkerboard: black and white, ying and yang. Known and unknown. Things you understand, and things you don't understand. They're all THINGS that your mind identifies, but some are thoroughly understood and some are only nodded to.
[18:32] Jäger (danielderv): I still want to see snow
[18:32] Kino Moonites: We are getting fucked by mother nature right now
[18:32] Kino Moonites: Lol
[18:32] Jäger (danielderv): ohdear
[18:32] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): We have very little still and it's all up on the mountain. Still a very unusual year.
[18:32] Kino Moonites: It's white out conditions right now
[18:33] Kino Moonites: But earlier I heard a plow go by
[18:33] Kino Moonites: So Haiku
[18:33] Kino Moonites: lol
[18:33] Nop (kyomuno.tsuki) is offline.
[18:33] Jäger (danielderv): silver hand!
[18:33] Kino Moonites: Yep ^^
[18:33] Kino Moonites: I also wrote a joke Haiku while you were starting the lesson ^^;;
[18:34] Jäger (danielderv): joke haiku!
[18:34] Kino Moonites: 'This is five syllables
No it was not don't lie now
Oh is it bad?'
[18:34] Jäger (danielderv): pfff!
[18:34] imseti: snort
[18:34] Jäger (danielderv): I love it
[18:35] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): joke haiku is good too. I stuck one in the notices after all.
[18:35] Kino Moonites: Lol
[18:35] Kino Moonites: Well I just remember Morgans Haiku
[18:35] Kino Moonites: It still makes me giggle
[18:35] Jäger (danielderv): thaaaaaaaatyessss
[18:35] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): I finally found the font to use with htat
[18:35] Kino Moonites: And Howls accidental Haiku
[18:35] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): it wil be beautiful
[18:36] Kino Moonites: Lol I bet Ame
[18:36] imseti whispers: The child picks the rose perfect thing of beauty. It withers inside.
[18:36] imseti: that majorly derped
[18:36] Jäger (danielderv): Ouch
[18:36] Wayne (wayne.meridoc) is online.
[18:36] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): wow
[18:36] Kino Moonites: Oh...wow
[18:36] Jäger (danielderv): well it caught me flatfooted
[18:37] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): That is so true
[18:37] imseti: The child picks the rose. A perfect thing of beauty. It withers inside.
[18:37] imseti: yeah, there we go
[18:37] imseti: and.. yeah
[18:37] Kino Moonites: Fucking hell
[18:38] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): That resonates far deeper than it should for me.
[18:38] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): Thank you for shining a bit of light where I needed it
[18:38] imseti: ;A;
[18:38] Kino Moonites: Oh wait....the short story right Ame?
[18:38] imseti: you're welcome I guess...
[18:38] imseti: yeah, I kind of thought back to that one
[18:39] Jäger (danielderv): LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE IMSETI
[18:39] Kino Moonites facepaws >.<
[18:39] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): That too, I hadn't thought of the connection to the rosebud story. It was pointing a finger toward something else for me
[18:39] Kino Moonites: Oh
[18:39] Kino Moonites: Well
[18:39] Kino Moonites: And the layers build
[18:39] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): And this is why I like haiku. Simle words do different things.
[18:39] Kino Moonites: I have another one
[18:39] imseti: it's definitely an art to be able to do profound things simply
[18:39] imseti: it's the greatest art, really
[18:39] imseti: simplicity.
[18:40] Kino Moonites: Can't wait to walk home!
Please stay safe ok? Stay Safe.
Dont worry I have boots!
[18:40] imseti: lol <3
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[18:40] imseti: I love your conversational haiku.
[18:40] imseti: they're interesting.
[18:40] Jäger (danielderv): Hah~
[18:40] Kino Moonites: The last line is from my mom's response to my concern over her walking home from work
[18:41] imseti: anyway, uh... that haiku was really directed against.... everything artists feel about art and trying to make it, i think. based on our conversation. so ye.
[18:41] Kino Moonites: I guess I didn't think about that I tend to make my haiku's like a conversation lol...that's a thing
[18:41] imseti: yes, it is.
[18:41] Kino Moonites: That makes sense
[18:41] Teonnyn Noonan (teonnyn.ornitz) is online.
[18:41] imseti: also, i wrote a haiku.... weeks ago
[18:41] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): It was a good one
[18:41] Prosper Telling is online.
[18:41] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): To Seti's:
The butterfly caught gently
Is still a captive of love.
Release and be peace.
[18:41] Kino Moonites: Oh wow
[18:41] imseti: I love it ;A;
[18:41] imseti: yes.
[18:42] imseti: regarding 'writing too much haiku'
[18:42] imseti: One should be cautious
Don’t write too much poetry
You’ll eat yourself up.
[18:42] Kino Moonites: Lol
[18:42] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): XD that makes me think of Mah Jong Quest games
[18:42] imseti: lol
[18:42] ﺮﻛﺎﺗ ﻲﺘﻧاد (dante.tucker) is offline.
[18:42] imseti: how so?
[18:42] Kino Moonites: Art is like frogs, you can open it up to see how it works but then the frog dies
[18:43] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): All the dialogue is haiku in that trilogy.
[18:43] imseti: oh, interesting
[18:43] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): Ow wow Kino
[18:43] imseti: I was actually doing a lot of haiku at this point and got to thinking about haiku in general.
[18:43] Kino Moonites: Did I accidentally just haiku?
[18:43] imseti: i have a ramble here that i wrote about the technique of haiku, wanna read it?
[18:43] imseti: you just profounded
[18:43] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): yes. you did.
[18:44] Kino Moonites: ^^;;
[18:44] Kino Moonites: Well it's just in the same vein as what you two said
[18:44] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): unless you are particularly skilled at vivisection.
[18:44] ﺮﻛﺎﺗ ﻲﺘﻧاد (dante.tucker) is online.
[18:44] imseti: my surgical skills notwithstanding, howlz
[18:44] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein) resumes werewolfing
[18:44] Kino Moonites: Well is that still really a frog though?
[18:44] imseti: frankenfrog
[18:44] Kino Moonites: Once you cut enough away does it still stay a frog?
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[18:45] imseti: and here we have a metaphor for the last century of art
[18:45] imseti: in frog form
[18:45] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): if you cut a sandwich in half is it still a sandwich?
[18:45] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): it becomes a vivisected frog, the symbol of th artist turned inside out
[18:45] imseti: and in sandwich form
[18:45] Kino Moonites: Yeah but if you keep cutting Howl eventually all you have is crumbs
[18:45] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein) hands imseti a single pant. not pants. pant.
[18:45] imseti puts the pan on his head.
[18:45] imseti: pant
[18:45] imseti: no, but
[18:46] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): nice leg tube
[18:46] Kino Moonites: And then you have to wonder did you really need to cut it?
[18:46] imseti: modern art is really just a dissection to see what 'art' is
[18:46] Kino Moonites: Lol leg tube
[18:46] Kino Moonites: LEG TUBES
[18:46] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): burger tubes
[18:46] imseti: and hence we get this really bizarre, scattered end result
[18:46] imseti: that isn't really anything
[18:46] imseti: and in some cases is just pure bullshit
[18:46] ﺮﻛﺎﺗ ﻲﺘﻧاد (dante.tucker) is offline.
[18:46] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): and yet to some that bullshit is profound
[18:46] ﺮﻛﺎﺗ ﻲﺘﻧاد (dante.tucker) is online.
[18:46] imseti: i think that's really because it abuses their suspension of disbelief
[18:46] Kino Moonites: Well even manure has a purpose depending on the situation
[18:46] imseti: they want it to be art, so they view it as art
[18:47] imseti: they give it meaning from themselves
[18:47] imseti: so it's really just a self-conversation
[18:47] imseti: reflected off of some object
[18:48] Kino Moonites: Quietly I gaze
But the window is frosted
I can't see outside
[18:48] imseti: you guys are really getting the worst of it today, huh
[18:48] Kino Moonites: It's white out conditions
[18:48] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): woooooo!
[18:49] Kino Moonites: Blizzard overnight until late tomorrow
[18:49] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): HEY KINO HOW ABOUT THAT INCH OR THIRTY?
[18:49] Kino Moonites: I KNOW RIGHT?!
[18:49] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein) thuds
[18:49] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): Clouds cover the sun.
The mirror does not shine yet,
Polish then the face.
[18:49] Kino Moonites: Oooooh
[18:49] imseti: hmmm
[18:49] Kino Moonites: That sounds sassy as fuck
[18:49] imseti: yeeeaaah
[18:50] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): [ muffled crashing sounds ]
[ explosions in the distance ]
[ howlitzer rampage ]
[18:50] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): BOOOOOOM
[18:50] Kino Moonites: Lovely
[18:50] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): big boom
[18:50] Kino Moonites: We finally have a werewolf haiku lol
[18:50] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): :P
[18:51] Kino Moonites: I like it
[18:51] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): yes
[18:51] imseti: perfect
[18:52] imseti: okay, i found the ramble i wrote when i was doing a lot of haiku things a little while back
[18:52] imseti: Haiku should be conceived from the purest moments of wonderment. It’s no mistake that most classical haiku focus on nature and the seasons: the contrast inherent to the short form of verse should be found in the swell and crash of waves, the cracking of branches and their fluttering leaves, or one’s naïve expectations being foiled by nature’s truth (which so often flies in the face of our foolish caprice). That is to say – the contrast should be found humbly, between yourself and nature, or within nature itself. Its verses are small because a haiku is conceived in an instant. Thus it should be written down instantly and left alone to age, like a wine – from the vine to the barrel without delay. Like an eager dog, a haiku should come to you. Like a dog, one should never make a haiku come. If you find yourself grasping for words, put your pen down and walk away. For such grasping only ever leads inside, and if you pit two halves of yourself together for contrast instead of finding it outside, you
[18:52] imseti: destroy yourself. The process of creation is dirty: don’t soil your hands for longer than you need to. Never pause with your hands in the bowl. If the clay splits apart at the seams, it doesn’t need more water or earth or sweat from your brow. What you need is new clay.
[18:52] Jäger (danielderv) paid you L$300.
[18:53] Kino Moonites: Woah
[18:53] Jäger (danielderv): Really good
[18:53] imseti: some of my thoughts after realizing that the more haiku i wrote at that point, the more inward and cynical and negative and self-destructive they were getting
[18:53] imseti: it was really interesting
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[18:55] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): Yes. That's it exactly. I think that's also going to be the perfect thing to put at the very end of everyone's collected haiku after the last class.
[18:55] Kino Moonites: Lol someone is getting towed for parking in the street right now
[18:55] imseti: Wow, really?
[18:55] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): One class yet remains.
Releasing upon the page
Collected dreams soon.
[18:55] kenny the dragon (mkenny1694) is offline.
[18:55] Kino Moonites: Yaaaaay
[18:55] Kino Moonites: I'm excited
[18:55] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): Yes.
[18:55] imseti: I used it to cap off my own collection, so I think that fits really well
[18:55] imseti: that's an awesome haiku tho
[18:56] kenny the dragon (mkenny1694) is online.
[18:56] Lacy (lacy.musketeer) is offline.
[18:57] imseti: i wish i'd made more of these sessions
[18:57] imseti: they are awesome
[18:57] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): I'm still working on getting the audio put up on youtube
[18:58] imseti: oh, I didn't know you were doing that
[18:58] Kino Moonites: Oh god healp
[18:58] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): there's a playlist for the sessions, I wanted to make sure that there was something for those that couldn't come too
[18:58] Kino Moonites: tree
[18:58] imseti: awesome :D
[18:58] Kino Moonites: D:
[18:59] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): D:
[18:59] imseti: -_-
[18:59] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): where'd the tree go? it was there then it was gone, a vanishing dream.
[19:00] Kino Moonites: Lol
[19:00] imseti: more like a nightmare
[19:01] Jäger (danielderv): I know drinking this will give me a headache tomorrow
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[19:01] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): I'm way ahead of you Jaeger
[19:01] Jäger (danielderv): I EMBRACE THE HEADACHE
[19:01] imseti: (but its still a headache)
[19:02] Jäger (danielderv): Hiii sunsenthiiii
[19:02] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): hello
[19:02] SunsetAzul (jzl4life): :3
[19:02] SunsetAzul (jzl4life): ahro
[19:03] imseti: A world between / Meeting in sunlight of the mind / Before tomorrow.
[19:04] Kino Moonites: Headaches are just.....
Nightmares trying to flee your flesh
Will you let them out?
[19:04] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): The sun shimmering / over field and lake gleaming / Staying in the heart
[19:05] Doc (doctor.blauvelt) is offline.
[19:06] Jäger (danielderv): Oh!
[19:06] Jäger (danielderv): ooohhhhhfff
[19:06] Jäger (danielderv): I like this, even though I can't see the sun
[19:06] Callak Skytower is online.
[19:06] Kino Moonites: Same
[19:06] Jäger (danielderv): sun
[19:06] Jäger (danielderv): star
[19:06] Jäger (danielderv): woo!
[19:07] Kino Moonites: Jager you have been the most curious about that by far
[19:07] Jäger (danielderv): It's awesome!
[19:07] Jäger (danielderv): cat
[19:07] Kino Moonites: Sunset spent ten minutes going "lol"
[19:07] Jäger (danielderv): cat
[19:07] Jäger (danielderv): there!
[19:07] Kino Moonites: I was typing ^^ll
[19:07] Kino Moonites: *^^;;
[19:07] Jäger (danielderv): yep!
[19:07] Jäger (danielderv): tick
[19:07] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): pouwpojqepojgpojqwp
[19:07] Jäger (danielderv): positive
[19:07] Jäger (danielderv): yep
[19:08] Jäger (danielderv): yes
[19:08] Jäger (danielderv): moon
[19:08] Jäger (danielderv): D:
[19:08] Jäger (danielderv): hah!
[19:08] Kino Moonites: I could add moon to the trigger list
[19:08] imseti: Sun-light and night-dark / The world lives in both at once / We live in neither.
[19:08] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): Niiice
[19:09] Jäger (danielderv): mmhmm!
[19:09] Kino Moonites: Seti you are dancing in time with the vague Hispanic music in the background
[19:09] imseti: idk
[19:09] Jäger (danielderv): idk
[19:09] imseti: i guess that's fitting
[19:09] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXK905yxHQg
[19:09] Jäger (danielderv): uuuhhhffffmmmyeeeyes
[19:09] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): I need to get back to cleaning sadly
[19:09] Jäger (danielderv): awh....
[19:10] Kino Moonites: Sorry the command you have entered does not match the known database Jager
[19:10] Kino Moonites: Awww
[19:10] Jäger (danielderv): T'was nice to have you around Ame; we missed you at SNR!
[19:10] Kino Moonites: Ok Ame
[19:10] Kino Moonites: Yes!
[19:10] Jäger (danielderv): pffff!
[19:10] imseti: This music goes perfectly.
[19:10] imseti: And bai Ame :D
[19:10] imseti: <3
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[18:13] ﺮﻛﺎﺗ ﻲﺘﻧاد (dante.tucker) is online.
[18:13] imseti: Okay. Hi.
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[18:15] Jäger (danielderv) is online.
[18:16] Kino Moonites: I noticed that
[18:16] Kino Moonites: That was interesting
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[18:17] Kino Moonites: I can imagine
[18:17] imseti: Hmmm.
[18:17] imseti: That is neat. :D
[18:17] Cycladic is offline.
[18:17] Kino Moonites: I wonder how often people do that on accident
[18:17] Kino Moonites: Yeah I feel like it's something that could just happen
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[18:17] Kino Moonites: Hey Jager
[18:17] Cappahoven: Hello Jager
[18:17] Jäger (danielderv): ello!
[18:17] imseti: I wouldn't think much, but I could be wrong I guess. I should just shut up.
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[18:20] Cappahoven: I'm gonna head out guys, y'all take care
[18:20] Kino Moonites: See ya Cappa ^^
[18:20] Fluxion Aura: You too.
[18:20] Jäger (danielderv): okay, see ya!
[18:20] imseti: bai
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[18:22] imseti: that's an interesting reaction against oversaturation of information
[18:22] imseti: similar to what we're dealing with now, re: digital information
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[18:25] imseti: As usual, very interesting.
[18:25] Jäger (danielderv): I got the train runnin' already ^^;
[18:25] imseti: Food for thought.
[18:25] imseti: I've been thinking about the valuation of information lately.
[18:25] imseti: Everyone seems to want to be unique. The rockstar mentality. All that.
[18:25] imseti: Does it matter?
[18:25] Kino Moonites: I like how they handle the elitism by just being like "I didn't know Haiku got promoted"
[18:25] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): *nods* It is interesting.
[18:26] Jäger (danielderv): I liked the grass thing
[18:26] Kino Moonites: Really if you are doing it because it's "glamorous" or things like that you are kinda doing art things wrong
[18:26] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): I do too. I'm thinking about putting that up in my room as a reminder to myself.
[18:26] MONOCHROME (njmike) is online.
[18:27] Kino Moonites: I think it's a good reminder
[18:27] imseti: Yeah.
[18:27] imseti: The haiku about grass was funnily fitting.
[18:27] imseti: Maybe some art is monumental, a flower or a tree or something truly unique.
[18:27] Jäger (danielderv): This part of the pursuit of glamor in something that shouldn't be laden with such interest always reminds me of today's contemporary art scene too
[18:27] imseti: But if the world only contained that which was monumental, it would be sparse and harsh.
[18:28] imseti: The world needs innumerable blades of grass.
[18:28] imseti: Each humble and 'boring' and yet, you know, truly vital.
[18:28] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): Yes. I dont understand the scramble I see sometimes. Then again, when I do something, I do it because I'm doing it for me or someone else. Not for the name.
[18:29] imseti nods.
[18:29] imseti: I think humanity has always had a crisis when it comes to placing importance on things he can't understand.
[18:29] imseti: If it's not massive, singular, monumental, easily seen and pointed to... whether it's god, or the grass, or some other infinite and yet vitally important aspect of an ecosystem or home or community or anything.... man can't come to terms with it.
[18:29] imseti: Or, that's the tendency.
[18:30] imseti: Speaking of paradoxes.
[18:30] Jäger (danielderv): there's a portion of the sublime that keeps art alive by being basically unreachable through reason
[18:31] imseti: Art really HAS to be unreachable through *logic* or dissection to maintain itself.
[18:31] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): *nods* Yes. You have to feel it or otherwise sense it, but you can't think it.
[18:31] imseti: Beauty is that which can not, or must not, be tamed.
[18:31] Jäger (danielderv): Well, to maintain itself autonomous
[18:31] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): Simple ink circle
Spread on white snow paper here
All you need you are.
[18:31] Fluxion Aura: bbl
[18:31] imseti applaud
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[18:31] Kino Moonites: Oooh I like that Ame
[18:31] Jäger (danielderv): nice~
[18:32] Kino Moonites: I have one too
[18:32] Kino Moonites: Silver hands carve a path
And rumbling beasts plod along
Retreating from Snow
[18:32] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): Beautiful
[18:32] imseti: Like I often say, it's healthy to think in a checkerboard: black and white, ying and yang. Known and unknown. Things you understand, and things you don't understand. They're all THINGS that your mind identifies, but some are thoroughly understood and some are only nodded to.
[18:32] Jäger (danielderv): I still want to see snow
[18:32] Kino Moonites: We are getting fucked by mother nature right now
[18:32] Kino Moonites: Lol
[18:32] Jäger (danielderv): ohdear
[18:32] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): We have very little still and it's all up on the mountain. Still a very unusual year.
[18:32] Kino Moonites: It's white out conditions right now
[18:33] Kino Moonites: But earlier I heard a plow go by
[18:33] Kino Moonites: So Haiku
[18:33] Kino Moonites: lol
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[18:33] Jäger (danielderv): silver hand!
[18:33] Kino Moonites: Yep ^^
[18:33] Kino Moonites: I also wrote a joke Haiku while you were starting the lesson ^^;;
[18:34] Jäger (danielderv): joke haiku!
[18:34] Kino Moonites: 'This is five syllables
No it was not don't lie now
Oh is it bad?'
[18:34] Jäger (danielderv): pfff!
[18:34] imseti: snort
[18:34] Jäger (danielderv): I love it
[18:35] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): joke haiku is good too. I stuck one in the notices after all.
[18:35] Kino Moonites: Lol
[18:35] Kino Moonites: Well I just remember Morgans Haiku
[18:35] Kino Moonites: It still makes me giggle
[18:35] Jäger (danielderv): thaaaaaaaatyessss
[18:35] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): I finally found the font to use with htat
[18:35] Kino Moonites: And Howls accidental Haiku
[18:35] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): it wil be beautiful
[18:36] Kino Moonites: Lol I bet Ame
[18:36] imseti whispers: The child picks the rose perfect thing of beauty. It withers inside.
[18:36] imseti: that majorly derped
[18:36] Jäger (danielderv): Ouch
[18:36] Wayne (wayne.meridoc) is online.
[18:36] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): wow
[18:36] Kino Moonites: Oh...wow
[18:36] Jäger (danielderv): well it caught me flatfooted
[18:37] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): That is so true
[18:37] imseti: The child picks the rose. A perfect thing of beauty. It withers inside.
[18:37] imseti: yeah, there we go
[18:37] imseti: and.. yeah
[18:37] Kino Moonites: Fucking hell
[18:38] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): That resonates far deeper than it should for me.
[18:38] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): Thank you for shining a bit of light where I needed it
[18:38] imseti: ;A;
[18:38] Kino Moonites: Oh wait....the short story right Ame?
[18:38] imseti: you're welcome I guess...
[18:38] imseti: yeah, I kind of thought back to that one
[18:39] Jäger (danielderv): LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE IMSETI
[18:39] Kino Moonites facepaws >.<
[18:39] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): That too, I hadn't thought of the connection to the rosebud story. It was pointing a finger toward something else for me
[18:39] Kino Moonites: Oh
[18:39] Kino Moonites: Well
[18:39] Kino Moonites: And the layers build
[18:39] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): And this is why I like haiku. Simle words do different things.
[18:39] Kino Moonites: I have another one
[18:39] imseti: it's definitely an art to be able to do profound things simply
[18:39] imseti: it's the greatest art, really
[18:39] imseti: simplicity.
[18:40] Kino Moonites: Can't wait to walk home!
Please stay safe ok? Stay Safe.
Dont worry I have boots!
[18:40] imseti: lol <3
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[18:40] imseti: I love your conversational haiku.
[18:40] imseti: they're interesting.
[18:40] Jäger (danielderv): Hah~
[18:40] Kino Moonites: The last line is from my mom's response to my concern over her walking home from work
[18:41] imseti: anyway, uh... that haiku was really directed against.... everything artists feel about art and trying to make it, i think. based on our conversation. so ye.
[18:41] Kino Moonites: I guess I didn't think about that I tend to make my haiku's like a conversation lol...that's a thing
[18:41] imseti: yes, it is.
[18:41] Kino Moonites: That makes sense
[18:41] Teonnyn Noonan (teonnyn.ornitz) is online.
[18:41] imseti: also, i wrote a haiku.... weeks ago
[18:41] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): It was a good one
[18:41] Prosper Telling is online.
[18:41] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): To Seti's:
The butterfly caught gently
Is still a captive of love.
Release and be peace.
[18:41] Kino Moonites: Oh wow
[18:41] imseti: I love it ;A;
[18:41] imseti: yes.
[18:42] imseti: regarding 'writing too much haiku'
[18:42] imseti: One should be cautious
Don’t write too much poetry
You’ll eat yourself up.
[18:42] Kino Moonites: Lol
[18:42] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): XD that makes me think of Mah Jong Quest games
[18:42] imseti: lol
[18:42] ﺮﻛﺎﺗ ﻲﺘﻧاد (dante.tucker) is offline.
[18:42] imseti: how so?
[18:42] Kino Moonites: Art is like frogs, you can open it up to see how it works but then the frog dies
[18:43] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): All the dialogue is haiku in that trilogy.
[18:43] imseti: oh, interesting
[18:43] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): Ow wow Kino
[18:43] imseti: I was actually doing a lot of haiku at this point and got to thinking about haiku in general.
[18:43] Kino Moonites: Did I accidentally just haiku?
[18:43] imseti: i have a ramble here that i wrote about the technique of haiku, wanna read it?
[18:43] imseti: you just profounded
[18:43] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): yes. you did.
[18:44] Kino Moonites: ^^;;
[18:44] Kino Moonites: Well it's just in the same vein as what you two said
[18:44] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): unless you are particularly skilled at vivisection.
[18:44] ﺮﻛﺎﺗ ﻲﺘﻧاد (dante.tucker) is online.
[18:44] imseti: my surgical skills notwithstanding, howlz
[18:44] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein) resumes werewolfing
[18:44] Kino Moonites: Well is that still really a frog though?
[18:44] imseti: frankenfrog
[18:44] Kino Moonites: Once you cut enough away does it still stay a frog?
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[18:45] imseti: and here we have a metaphor for the last century of art
[18:45] imseti: in frog form
[18:45] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): if you cut a sandwich in half is it still a sandwich?
[18:45] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): it becomes a vivisected frog, the symbol of th artist turned inside out
[18:45] imseti: and in sandwich form
[18:45] Kino Moonites: Yeah but if you keep cutting Howl eventually all you have is crumbs
[18:45] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein) hands imseti a single pant. not pants. pant.
[18:45] imseti puts the pan on his head.
[18:45] imseti: pant
[18:45] imseti: no, but
[18:46] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): nice leg tube
[18:46] Kino Moonites: And then you have to wonder did you really need to cut it?
[18:46] imseti: modern art is really just a dissection to see what 'art' is
[18:46] Kino Moonites: Lol leg tube
[18:46] Kino Moonites: LEG TUBES
[18:46] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): burger tubes
[18:46] imseti: and hence we get this really bizarre, scattered end result
[18:46] imseti: that isn't really anything
[18:46] imseti: and in some cases is just pure bullshit
[18:46] ﺮﻛﺎﺗ ﻲﺘﻧاد (dante.tucker) is offline.
[18:46] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): and yet to some that bullshit is profound
[18:46] ﺮﻛﺎﺗ ﻲﺘﻧاد (dante.tucker) is online.
[18:46] imseti: i think that's really because it abuses their suspension of disbelief
[18:46] Kino Moonites: Well even manure has a purpose depending on the situation
[18:46] imseti: they want it to be art, so they view it as art
[18:47] imseti: they give it meaning from themselves
[18:47] imseti: so it's really just a self-conversation
[18:47] imseti: reflected off of some object
[18:48] Kino Moonites: Quietly I gaze
But the window is frosted
I can't see outside
[18:48] imseti: you guys are really getting the worst of it today, huh
[18:48] Kino Moonites: It's white out conditions
[18:48] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): woooooo!
[18:49] Kino Moonites: Blizzard overnight until late tomorrow
[18:49] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): HEY KINO HOW ABOUT THAT INCH OR THIRTY?
[18:49] Kino Moonites: I KNOW RIGHT?!
[18:49] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein) thuds
[18:49] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): Clouds cover the sun.
The mirror does not shine yet,
Polish then the face.
[18:49] Kino Moonites: Oooooh
[18:49] imseti: hmmm
[18:49] Kino Moonites: That sounds sassy as fuck
[18:49] imseti: yeeeaaah
[18:50] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): [ muffled crashing sounds ]
[ explosions in the distance ]
[ howlitzer rampage ]
[18:50] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): BOOOOOOM
[18:50] Kino Moonites: Lovely
[18:50] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): big boom
[18:50] Kino Moonites: We finally have a werewolf haiku lol
[18:50] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): :P
[18:51] Kino Moonites: I like it
[18:51] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): yes
[18:51] imseti: perfect
[18:52] imseti: okay, i found the ramble i wrote when i was doing a lot of haiku things a little while back
[18:52] imseti: Haiku should be conceived from the purest moments of wonderment. It’s no mistake that most classical haiku focus on nature and the seasons: the contrast inherent to the short form of verse should be found in the swell and crash of waves, the cracking of branches and their fluttering leaves, or one’s naïve expectations being foiled by nature’s truth (which so often flies in the face of our foolish caprice). That is to say – the contrast should be found humbly, between yourself and nature, or within nature itself. Its verses are small because a haiku is conceived in an instant. Thus it should be written down instantly and left alone to age, like a wine – from the vine to the barrel without delay. Like an eager dog, a haiku should come to you. Like a dog, one should never make a haiku come. If you find yourself grasping for words, put your pen down and walk away. For such grasping only ever leads inside, and if you pit two halves of yourself together for contrast instead of finding it outside, you
[18:52] imseti: destroy yourself. The process of creation is dirty: don’t soil your hands for longer than you need to. Never pause with your hands in the bowl. If the clay splits apart at the seams, it doesn’t need more water or earth or sweat from your brow. What you need is new clay.
[18:52] Jäger (danielderv) paid you L$300.
[18:53] Kino Moonites: Woah
[18:53] Jäger (danielderv): Really good
[18:53] imseti: some of my thoughts after realizing that the more haiku i wrote at that point, the more inward and cynical and negative and self-destructive they were getting
[18:53] imseti: it was really interesting
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[18:55] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): Yes. That's it exactly. I think that's also going to be the perfect thing to put at the very end of everyone's collected haiku after the last class.
[18:55] Kino Moonites: Lol someone is getting towed for parking in the street right now
[18:55] imseti: Wow, really?
[18:55] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): One class yet remains.
Releasing upon the page
Collected dreams soon.
[18:55] kenny the dragon (mkenny1694) is offline.
[18:55] Kino Moonites: Yaaaaay
[18:55] Kino Moonites: I'm excited
[18:55] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): Yes.
[18:55] imseti: I used it to cap off my own collection, so I think that fits really well
[18:55] imseti: that's an awesome haiku tho
[18:56] kenny the dragon (mkenny1694) is online.
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[18:57] imseti: i wish i'd made more of these sessions
[18:57] imseti: they are awesome
[18:57] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): I'm still working on getting the audio put up on youtube
[18:58] imseti: oh, I didn't know you were doing that
[18:58] Kino Moonites: Oh god healp
[18:58] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): there's a playlist for the sessions, I wanted to make sure that there was something for those that couldn't come too
[18:58] Kino Moonites: tree
[18:58] imseti: awesome :D
[18:58] Kino Moonites: D:
[18:59] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): D:
[18:59] imseti: -_-
[18:59] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): where'd the tree go? it was there then it was gone, a vanishing dream.
[19:00] Kino Moonites: Lol
[19:00] imseti: more like a nightmare
[19:01] Jäger (danielderv): I know drinking this will give me a headache tomorrow
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[19:01] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): I'm way ahead of you Jaeger
[19:01] Jäger (danielderv): I EMBRACE THE HEADACHE
[19:01] imseti: (but its still a headache)
[19:02] Jäger (danielderv): Hiii sunsenthiiii
[19:02] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): hello
[19:02] SunsetAzul (jzl4life): :3
[19:02] SunsetAzul (jzl4life): ahro
[19:03] imseti: A world between / Meeting in sunlight of the mind / Before tomorrow.
[19:04] Kino Moonites: Headaches are just.....
Nightmares trying to flee your flesh
Will you let them out?
[19:04] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): The sun shimmering / over field and lake gleaming / Staying in the heart
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[19:06] Jäger (danielderv): Oh!
[19:06] Jäger (danielderv): ooohhhhhfff
[19:06] Jäger (danielderv): I like this, even though I can't see the sun
[19:06] Callak Skytower is online.
[19:06] Kino Moonites: Same
[19:06] Jäger (danielderv): sun
[19:06] Jäger (danielderv): star
[19:06] Jäger (danielderv): woo!
[19:07] Kino Moonites: Jager you have been the most curious about that by far
[19:07] Jäger (danielderv): It's awesome!
[19:07] Jäger (danielderv): cat
[19:07] Kino Moonites: Sunset spent ten minutes going "lol"
[19:07] Jäger (danielderv): cat
[19:07] Jäger (danielderv): there!
[19:07] Kino Moonites: I was typing ^^ll
[19:07] Kino Moonites: *^^;;
[19:07] Jäger (danielderv): yep!
[19:07] Jäger (danielderv): tick
[19:07] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): pouwpojqepojgpojqwp
[19:07] Jäger (danielderv): positive
[19:07] Jäger (danielderv): yep
[19:08] Jäger (danielderv): yes
[19:08] Jäger (danielderv): moon
[19:08] Jäger (danielderv): D:
[19:08] Jäger (danielderv): hah!
[19:08] Kino Moonites: I could add moon to the trigger list
[19:08] imseti: Sun-light and night-dark / The world lives in both at once / We live in neither.
[19:08] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): Niiice
[19:09] Jäger (danielderv): mmhmm!
[19:09] Kino Moonites: Seti you are dancing in time with the vague Hispanic music in the background
[19:09] imseti: idk
[19:09] Jäger (danielderv): idk
[19:09] imseti: i guess that's fitting
[19:09] Howlitzer (howlitzer.zebendein): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXK905yxHQg
[19:09] Jäger (danielderv): uuuhhhffffmmmyeeeyes
[19:09] Amehana Arashi (amehana.ishtari): I need to get back to cleaning sadly
[19:09] Jäger (danielderv): awh....
[19:10] Kino Moonites: Sorry the command you have entered does not match the known database Jager
[19:10] Kino Moonites: Awww
[19:10] Jäger (danielderv): T'was nice to have you around Ame; we missed you at SNR!
[19:10] Kino Moonites: Ok Ame
[19:10] Kino Moonites: Yes!
[19:10] Jäger (danielderv): pffff!
[19:10] imseti: This music goes perfectly.
[19:10] imseti: And bai Ame :D
[19:10] imseti: <3